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Episode 16 – Liveyon Pure Cast – Best Candidates for Hair Restoration
Dr. Alan Gaveck: Welcome back to the Liveyon Pure cast podcast, I’m doctor Gaveck, director of medical education and of course with me is John Kosolcharoen, CEO and founder of Liveyon. Welcome back.
John Kosolcharoen: Hey, thank you. So today, we wanted to talk about hair and hair restoration. So I was fortunate enough to have doctor Ben Behnam to join us today. How you doing today Dr. Behnam?
Dr. Behnam: Hi, good afternoon. Thanks so much. How are you guys doing?
John Kosolcharoen: Good good. Dr. Behnam is a dermatologist by trade, MD. Has a beautiful, beautiful practice in Santa Monica. Specializes in everything facial, derm. And recently has had a lot of success with hair. Hair restoration using stem cells. So we figured we bring him on and talk to him about that. Thank you for coming in today.
Dr. Behnam: Thank you so much for having me on. So I’ll just kinda give you a brief introduction of how I got into it and what we do. So our clinic is called Dermatology and Hair Restoration, we basically do a lot of hair in our clinic. My brother does purely hair transplants and there are a lot of patients that are just not candidates for hair transplants. And also they don’t wanna go on oral Propecia, which is Finasteride, because it has side effects. So you know, there’s always these sort of patients that are kind of in between that don’t wanna do the oral or are not a candidate for the oral or they don’t wanna do the transplant or not a candidate for the transplant. So we started doing the stem cell almost more than a year ago, I think it was January of 2018. And our protocol was very similar to PRP. We’ve been doing PRP for almost eight years now, so we kind of transitioned from doing PRP into doing that stem cell-
John Kosolcharoen: And have you seen a lot better results with the stem cells versus the PRP?
Dr. Behnam: Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, I always say it when my patients come in. PRP does not work, I mean if you read the clinical studies, PRP works at best 65% of patients. For some patients you get really amazing results, but for the most average patients, I think it’s kind of mediocre at best and you have to do it multiple times. So if somebody does it four times, I think you will get some improvement, but in the clinical studies only 65 to 70% of patients saw physical improvement. Or there were 65, 75% improvement in the patients. So when we transferred from PRP to stem cells, most, majority of patients actually saw a huge improvement with just one session. So the way I always tell my patients, look, you can either do four PRP sessions or just do one session with stem cells, you’re probably gonna have equal results, if not better results with the stem cells. The way that the stem cell works is that it’s basically, the stem cell producing growth factors continuously in your scalp, whereas you do PRP, you’re concentrating your growth factors and inject the scalp, but the injection, the growth factors get washed away, where in the case of the stem cells, those growth factors are continuously being released so it is as if you are having basically continuous PRP done on your scalp. That’s really where the stem cell comes in.
John Kosolcharoen: How many patients you think you’ve done since-
Dr. Behnam: Good question. I mean, I know in one month I did do 30 stem cells. Actually, I don’t know, we’ve done quite a bit. We have done a lot of stem cells, I don’t know the exact number, but I barely do PRP anymore alone by itself. I just don’t think alone by itself is powerful enough for it to work and if you honestly ask a lot of dermatologists they’ll tell you the same things. And a lot of dermatologists are kind of resistant to doing the PRP because I don’t think patients see good results. The way that we have … I mean our protocol has changed quite a bit ever since last year. In our opinion, the stem cell, when you inject the stem cells it will cause a huge growth of basically hair within basically four months. It’s about four to five months. And the results could last a year, a year and a half, you know, everybody’s different. I saw a patient back last week who we had done last May and he still had great results and even he was surprised. And you could actually watch some of my YouTube videos and some of the before and after photos. So it really does cause a lot of hair growths-
John Kosolcharoen: I did see your Instagram page. Your Instagram page was amazing. You probably have 100 before and afters and every single one of them looks like … I mean you probably posted them on Instagram because they were great successes, but with as many of them as there were I imagine that you get pretty constant, good success.
Dr. Behnam: Yeah, we get very good success. I mean, I don’t think we have 100, but we definitely have, we have a few. It’s definitely quite a number there. The best patients I think that are great candidates for it are the ones that losing basically the crown area. Those patients really see amazing results. Now, in order to make the results even better our protocol is that we actually have patients to go on a high protein diet afterwards using like whey protein shakes and also we have patients do derma rollers. And derma rollers have been shown to stimulate stem cells and growth factors, and since you have the stem cells in there by doing a derma roller, I think it activates them even more and cause more release of growth factors. So doing, combining those two with the stem cells, I think it makes it work a lot better.
Dr. Alan Gaveck: So to be real clear, so we’re not misleading anybody out there, if you don’t have any hair on your head, you’re probably not a good candidate for the stem cell, you’d be a good transplant. However, it’s the thinning hair that it helps to stimulate and regenerate the thinning hair.
Dr. Behnam: Yes, that is correct. So if you have thinning hair, like especially in the crown area where you’re thin, those are the best type of patients where when you do the stem cells you’re gonna have a growth of hair. The reason is because those hairs, you really haven’t lost them, they’ve just miniaturized. So they’re just smaller. So by injecting them with the stem cells, the growth factors cause a reverse in miniaturization. Actually nobody, I don’t think, really knows how it works, but it causes basically
those hairs basically to grow back. It’s not gonna work for the widows peaks, but in thinned out areas it works and honest it works better in younger patients. You know, I did my dad two months ago, and actually I saw him back Friday night, and he definitely has like a fairy of hair growth in the area, which is great, but I think in younger individuals you see better results. My dad’s 78 years old, but even him, he’s getting results. Which is great.
John Kosolcharoen: What type of stem cells do you use? I mean, do you do bone marrow, do you use adipose, what kind of stem cells do you use in your … Primarily?
Dr. Behnam: Well from the beginning I’ve always use the Liveyon stem cells and honestly I don’t trust any other company. We’re using the five million stem cells at the beginning and we’re seeing good results, then we switch over to 10 million and now we’re doing everybody at 30 million stem cells. I think they’re the ones that see … The 30 millions, first of all you’re able to do patients that have little wider hair loss and also you just get better results. Now the question is, are the results gonna be longer lasting, we don’t know that yet, but definitely I think better results is the key.
John Kosolcharoen: Do you do other types of dermal treatments with stem cells in the face or you primarily do hair?
Dr. Behnam: We had … I have done … I’ve worked on another patient where we do basically the PRP and injected the stem cell afterwards. So you could kind of do like … You know, it’s very similar to PRP and you know, you just mix it with the PRP just like we do for the hair. So I can’t see why you can’t do it in other parts of the face or wherever else basically where we do normal PRP injections.
John Kosolcharoen: Okay, well maybe we’ll have to bring on somebody that specializes in more face. Right now Dr. Behnam specializes in hair. And it really sounds like you have a protocol. It’s not just, you’re not just injecting stem cells. You have an entire protocol that you do to get that results and so I know that you talked with us before that you’d share that protocol with us, that we can share to our clients and friends out there.
Dr. Behnam: Yes. Absolutely yes. I have a very detailed protocol of how … The way we begin, you know we glove up, we wear kind of like clean scrubs, face masks, we prophylactically give antibiotics to everybody, clean the area with alcohol, [inaudible], we numb the area, we also use laughing gas in our office to minimize some of the pain and then we do the injections and there is a post operative [inaudible] as well. So I’m gonna share … We have that typed up, so I will definitely share that with you so you can share it with other people as well.
John Kosolcharoen: Okay. Great. Well, hey. I really appreciate you, Dr. Behnam coming on. Dr. Ben Behnam from Santa Monica, probably one of the worlds specialist in stem cell research in hair and hair growth. A very, very successful practice. Thank you for joining us today. I really appreciate it.
Dr. Behnam: Thanks so much. Greatly appreciate it guys. Have a beautiful day.
John Kosolcharoen: Thank you very much. Thanks.
Dr. Behnam: Bye bye guys. Bye.
Dr. Alan Gaveck: That was a good one.
I think it was.
John Kosolcharoen: I think that’s a great … I think that’s really needed.